Check their website...

I posted the following suggestion there, sorry but I have no idea how feasible it is or how long it would take
Any chance to look into the user setup?
This would get the edge over competition if you could put together either:

• Check that setup values are within accepted boundaries (limit sliders range)
  
• Check intake restriciton and ballast
  
• Check that the setup corresponds to the server or one of the server forced setups - send the above to the user.
  

Or maybe all of them

-1 unless pom pom girls party around the car in pits... or something lively at least

That would indeed put a lot of stress on the pedal, especially if I get it correctly the nixim mod involves having the pedal travel limited with a hard rubber pad to simulate RL brakes.
If the added part is bolted (sandwich like to prevent damage) and "bendable", i.e. with lower mechanical resistance that the rest of the assembly, that would bend (and eventually break) before you damage the pedal itself. 1mm sheet metal maybe?

Don't post random useless stuff please.

Here is my setup, jpg attached.
I modify the button control rate from 3.0 to 4.0 according to the car I use:
TBOs and LRF usually 3 to 3.5
FBM 4 or more if you want to be able to change gears
Low powered car 4 or more

Faster cars with more power and downforce 3 or less but still hard to control on/off, requires some tapping...

Tip: I separated the throttle and brake from the mouse and back on kb, that makes steering more stable.

Adjust brake strength, usually down a lot, and move the bias to prevent lockups.

You can get decent lap times with the mouse, it takes longer to get them because of the lack of feeling - check my stats, as mid-pack driver, and Palluka's stats for alien fast mouser.

I use a MX1000 laser mouse, excellent and I have had it for a few years with no issue - I can say control is probably as good as a non FFB wheel but the onoff keyboard "pedals" are the worst of things. Force yourself to use minimal steering input if you want speed and tyres that last.

LFS will become frustrating with a mouse, but you still have a few months ahead for this to happen. I need a wheel

If you want to race on demo, good competition and fair admins, try (only examples)
Zion race demo for XRG, XFG - but be warned most drivers here run 1.34xx or less regularly and want to win badly, so it may be challenging. I get owned in there

PINK server demo if it is still on
less reliable
GanzGenau, Bremskille.de

For FBM, Royalzeropub Hun
or the league servers

Everything correct up to the "oval" bit.

AIs don't draft properly and have a tendency to crash during high speed overtaking attempts (wild steering inputs), so either they swerve wildly or brake on the straight causing chain collisions.
Try them on non oval tracks, they are much more interesting.

Thanks for the link. Damn that's noisy...compared to how quiet the flat is at night.
I play 3m away from my wife watching TV and no wall in between so I think it's a no go
I can always remove the gear from FFB but then it become little better than my mouse

I'll see tomorrow after work if I can get my hand on one. Although 100€ for a few days make it more costly than IRental

Edit:
No DFPGT in store
Found a crappy looking logitech formula ex and the same wireless with 200° - approx 75€
Found a momo wheel - €130
and 2 G25 wheel lurking in the end of the shelf... 210€ approx. Is it a good price?
Would it be playable on my limited rig? Enjoyable with a small screen?
Laptop Dell M65 , intel core 2 7600 at 2.33, 2GB ram, nvidia quadro 350M 256Mo (weak point) with a 15.4 screen...

I have to talk with my wife sometime, better start furbishing my plea

Last edited by Mille Sabords, Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:53. Reason : more info

I would not push it too far, time is on my side with LFS developpement speed
I'm looking for an off the shelf product to buy in a nearby store, so that I get at least a few days use before retaliation... Being in Switzerland it looks like logitech / PS2, 3 products are more likely to be found.
My budget could be higher but what is important is how much I spend cowardly now.
Fanatec as I read is 300€, too big to sneak in even if I will most certainly miss a clutch + shifter. One step at a time... maybe FFB off to start with.
Do these things rumble under use? How loud (never seen one) - dishwasher, fridge or blender?

Quote from Mazz4200 :

And don't worry about the feeling old thing, i left the twenty something brigade over a decade ago, but my brain still thinks it's living in a 14 year olds body...

Congrats as well, + 1 above - never forget you ARE young or you will get caught...

My nappies days are now over (4.5 and 6) - feeling better, I don't know where the years in between went though. And some (single no kids) friends vanished in the process somehow together with some money I was sure was sitting in my bank account.

Good luck and enjoy as much as possible, you'll regret the first year in... approx 13 years time

Stuffi,While it may sound like a good idea it has a major drawback:Who is rating you?

Enter a populated server and you get 12 bad votes instantely, just for fun, while each one of these kids gets 11 good ones...How do you balance this at the end of the day?

Try to search a little bit in this forum, many other ways have been discussed before - no real solution exist unfortunately. Find better servers and stick to them, if you ever get S2 it becomes easier (but not 100% guarantee there).

Systems such as CTRA rely on people reporting such incidents to an admin pool, who then judge the replays and apply penalties afterwards.Some servers are run with a live admin, relying on the admin ethics for these decisions.

Good luck - this place is like everywhere else, with its share of and most people trying to be fair and have fun respecting each other.

I may be looking for a wheel (not sure yet as it implies doing so while wife and kids are away on holidays - consequenses may help me understand the true meaning of force feedback )I would like a little noise as possible - any tips? Is that GT wheel quiet / how does it compare with other wheels?I am willing to compromise a lot for silence as it may be the difference between use / no use of the wheel...Any other suggestion, not too expensive wheels as this may be a waste of money, on the quiet side?Thanks

Gunn - they do no more improve it seems, no more .knw files in the data folder...
No point in letting them practice anymore

Go for LX4, LX6 pro AIs, start from the back of the grid and report back - still an easy win?
I can only get to midfield on WE, these suckers do never make enough mistakes.

I agree!
I want an arcade mode with no damage and easier to drive cause I crash each turn above 200mph, that is too hard
I want an option to eliminate tyre heating and clutch heating for drifting and cruising
I want auto setup options to find the best setup for a track

And I want the XRT back...

Oh wait, wrong thread again?

:doh:

Agreed with xaotik.
If you experience clutch overheating:
0) Do not flatshift
1) Check your gear ratios, 1st gear probably too long
2) Autoclutch kills - assign a button clutch as well and use it when necessary. For example when you spin with autoclutch on and do not step off the throttle the autoclutch will try to accelerate the car even if it's sliding backwards --> dead clutch.
3) Check a spr replay of your driving to see your gear shift timing, may be wrong?

Always a pleasure to find good posts in these forums (and I must say it is more and more becoming a surprise as well...).
Your tutorial is well written and documented, it makes me want to check this Python thing - there is a huge programming gap in my amateur carrier (started with basic and stopped at Pascal, Delphi...), and C++ code does not feel straightforward enough for me to spend time to learn.

Looking forward to reading the next episode, thank you!

There is no more AI learning.
There used to be some learning and you could check your lfs folder for ".knw" files that were updated for each AI after a race (in which the AI participated of course ).
However as I see it the AIs were considering their line was an improvement if the split was better, so it quickly lead to good split --> crash behaviour, reproduced each lap.

The AIs ignored grip variation due to tyre temperature (main issue - they "learnt" a turn with optimal temp and reproduced the line and speed on cold / cooked tyres), were not able to pit, ignored damage and could not cope with clutch so Scawen improved all that at the cost of AI learning. They also never attempted to overtake, but considering the strange moves they pull now I'm not sure it is an improvement

On the other hand AIs are A LOT faster now - try a 10 lap race on WE1 with LX4 or LX6 for example, with pro AIs, and give them a good set...

I do not think my attendance reliability would allow me to participate in a league, however I would appreciate driving these under-used cars a bit more.
Is there a public training server open where I could improve driving along (ok, trying to follow )you?

Final drive is as it says the final ratio of the gearbox, that affects all the gears (multiply ratios).
So:
If you want to keep the ratio / cuve between the different gears but want a longer / shorter span, keep all gears the same and change only the final gear ratio. Example: when you start working on a restricted car like GT2 it is an easy way to take a GT setup for the gear ratios and use this slider. For fine tuning you will need to read below.

If an (some) individual gears do not please you (for ex if the layout is such that you have to change up just before a corner) then change only the gear(s) concerned using only the gear slider.

Optimum is not possible because it depends on the track, wind, other setup options and driving style. You can get a good guess using Bob's VHPA - check the unofficial addons theads.

Quote from obsolum :

I'm gonna try and catch the 1h RAC race on DMR instead I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to make it though, what with my girlfriend nagging that I spend too much time behind the computer in the evenings

Does the quali start at 8pm GMT or what? I can never figure out these timezones I'd hate to arrive one hour too late.

http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=23892

Might give it a go... I tried GT2 cars yesterday night and it seems I have to spend a few decades building sets, mine are not very efficient.
Plus I am still unable to force myself to trust downforce

Edit: on the other hand, since Sam already hijacked the thread this way, tonight is the 1 hour race at DMR - RAC on AS nat rev this week I think. I know you enjoyed driving this tricky thing.
Forced cockpit view, mandatory pitstop (but in 1 hour you may need it) and special Doorman redesigned chicanes all around the track for anti-cutting enforcement. Public server, goes private when serious things start (quali). End of DMR advertising spam.

Last edited by Mille Sabords, Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:09.

My Wednesday evenings are kind of free for a few months, a pity this is not around any more Good luck, I'll keep a close look.

Quote from Doorman :

I get more whinges about tyre stacks being 'on the racing line' when clearly they are not, than anything else. This, I think, is because LFSers have come to regard cutting as legitimate.

You are right, it takes time to re-learn the track when you have a go with your tyre stacks on DmR server.
I personnally find it ineresting and challenging as it creates new corners - nearly new tracks!
So I would like to see some evolution to existing tracks, similar to RL tracks - after many races and practice some corners are modified to provide more safety, or a better show - why not in LFS?

Even better since we have no RL tracks we could keep both versions of a corner... configurable tracks +1

Probably not with the engine off

Split time is an evil creation, added in the game to freeze your concentration and alter your hormones secretion thus producing excessive sweat any time the "split" is lower than your pb.

Trail braking is a pro thing, created for us middle tier drivers to miss braking points and turns entries so that the fast ones can pass easily WHILE laughing their heads off, as we try miserably to brake while turning and end up four wheels locked straigth in the grass.

Forget about these two.